Ama ([info]city_glitter) wrote,
@ 2005-07-06 19:43:00
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I believe this has gone quite far enough, so I shall now explain myself.

My cat was not set on fire. That is the important thing to know here- though such things have happened in this neighborhood, neither he nor I was so unfortunate. I'm sorry to all of you who were hurt by this, who cried, who were deeply worried, who were angered, who gave up things big and small to support me. I never intended any harm, and that is about the best I can say for myself- it does not excuse my behavior.

From here, you have the option of being extremely angry with me without listening to my reasoning. If you'd care to hear it, please read on.

I long ago ceased to be cynical about human beings. I believe we are a well-meaning, essentially good species with the capacity for endless love and compassion, and that we're born with a depth of empathy that living life in an individual-focused world tends to beat out of us over time. However, I also believe there are many more loving, compassionate, empathetic people out there than most people give our species credit for.

In this case, I'm referring to my family. I recently attended a family reunion where I received the usual ribbing about my making friends with people I've never met face-to-face and probably never will. My father in particular was astonished and disbelieving of the way so many people had pulled together to help the kitten [info]daysgoby rescued from the freeway recently- not only could he not believe that the whole thing wasn't a hoax, but to him the idea of putting that much money and effort into one small life was ridiculous.

So, I proposed an experiment. Something that we personally could control, that would prove my point about at least large parts of humanity beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is important to add that he did not agree to this- all my actions therein were mine and my own. I told myself that if I could raise even half of the $5,000 imaginary vet bill, I would sell my three Thomas Kinkade lithographs (I have pictures of them, for those of you who are skeptical of that also) and donate all the proceeds to the SPCA in the name of all the people who helped restore his faith in humanity.

He really did cry. I've only seen him do that once or twice in his life.

The experiment was a success. I clearly did not accurately estimate the amount of backlash, however- that was very stupid of me, as was not thinking out the long-term social consequences of this entire thing. I know most, if not all people, will see this as a scam despite my intentions. I would never have dreamt of spending all that money on myself, though, and thanks to PayPal fees it's going to cost me a good $100 extra, a minor financial burden I bear gladly. If you wish to file police charges against me for my actions, I will provide my information and accept the criminal penalties as punishment for my thoughtlessness.

Beyond everything else, it has been proven that at least in this sector of the world, humans are very good people.

To those of you who believed me, I'm sorry for not telling you the truth immediately. I was afraid you would be rightfully indignant and blow my cover. To those of you who didn't believe me, I'm sorry for defending myself so vigorously.

I'm not going to leave it at this- there will be the said donation to the SPCA, and also letters to the Dallas Morning News, Star-Telegram, and any other wide-circulation newspapers anyone suggests.

I want to clear up a few misconceptions:
-"At least I'm not on fire" was not intended as humor. It's a catchphrase for me throughout life, really- no matter how bad it is, even if you're dying of it, you're at least lucky not to be on fire.
-None of the money donated will be spent. I had at one point considered giving it directly to the SPCA, but vetoed that as that would still be fraud.
-I do not expect forgiveness or even any kind of acceptance. Just please, no mail bombs.

It's important for everyone to realize that [info]manhattan and [info]hangedwoman supported me out of good faith- I ordinarily am a very private person who only rarely pulls stunts, and never anything on this scale before. So please do not lower your opinion of them, or anyone else who defended me- it was my deceptiveness that colored the entire situation.


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[info]machineplay
2005-07-06 05:48 pm UTC (link)
I am really, honestly, absolutely stunned.

I thought better of you than this.

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[info]city_glitter
2005-07-06 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Good example of what happens when someone gets an idea and doesn't think it out carefully before executing it. I'm sorry to you, especially, since you stood by me throughout all this.

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[info]briarhill
2005-07-06 05:51 pm UTC (link)
People like you are the ones that ruin it for all of the people out there who truly -need- at times. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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[info]city_glitter
2005-07-06 05:53 pm UTC (link)
I am, very much so. I wish I had considered the fact that this kind of behavior is what causes cynicism before doing so- it negates the entire thing, really.

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[info]ratkrycek
2005-07-06 05:54 pm UTC (link)
If I contributed in any way to restoring someone's faith in humanity, then I feel that my posting your link on my journal was not in vain, but was for a good cause.

And I feel vindicated that even when I felt that the evidence pointed to this not being true (about Schro), I had faith in you - and didn't feel like you were evil, yourself. I believe I was and am right about that.

I can understand you not wanting your cover blown. As I think I told you, I'd recently lost a little of my own normally unshaking faith in humanity, and this little experiment restored some of mine - although that may seem odd now, it remains true.

And I send good wishes still to your cat (I take it you do have one!) and I can understand your experiment a bit, since I too have family who questions how I an have online friendships and call them real.

I still think you're an okay person.

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[info]city_glitter
2005-07-06 05:56 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. Schro is a real cat, as is Taki. I'm glad you understand my reasoning, even it was extremely poor logic in the end- I think the next time I decide to do a sociology experiment, I'll find some way of doing it with somewhat informed participants.

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[info]kalmn
2005-07-06 05:58 pm UTC (link)
wow, but you're an asshole.

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[info]city_glitter
2005-07-06 05:58 pm UTC (link)
I can't disagree with you there.

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[info]chthonya
2005-07-06 05:59 pm UTC (link)
First off, thanks for posting.

To be honest, I'm not sure what to think or feel at this point, except to reiterate what I said over on Foxfur's post - that I'm very glad your cat is okay, and that the response to your original posts about the situation show humanity in a good light.

I guess we'll all be a bit more sceptical about posts of that nature in the future - but as Foxfur pointed out, that's probably a good thing.

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[info]city_glitter
2005-07-06 06:01 pm UTC (link)
There was a reason I chose not to provide any proof- I knew that if I managed to finesse that in a way that kept the charade going, it would make things for people in situations like these much more difficult in the future. If only that hadn't been my only forethought.

Thank you, and I am sorry.

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[info]kaleidoscopeeye
2005-07-06 06:01 pm UTC (link)
Wow. This is sick and wrong. And highly immoral.

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[info]city_glitter
2005-07-06 06:04 pm UTC (link)
I agree. Regardless of my intentions, my actions aren't justifiable.

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[info]daysgoby
2005-07-06 06:01 pm UTC (link)
I'm disgusted.

You made me and the trouble I went through look like a joke, a thief, a scam, and a liar--things I detest more than anything else. You saw Meg torn to pieces by your supporters and said nothing for as long as you did. You made a mockery of the generousity, love and kindness complete strangers extended to you and to Schro. You cavorted on your internet stage feigning a whole panorama of dramatic emotions to stroke the sympathies of anyone you could. You have given all of these caring, giving people a blatant reason to never trust or give again.

'Experiment.'

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[info]city_glitter
2005-07-06 06:05 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I didn't see Meg torn apart by my supporters. I chose not to read that post after the first few comments. But as for the rest, you're certainly right.

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[info]inwardlyfacing
2005-07-06 06:03 pm UTC (link)
Regardless of your motivations, how could you let your friends rip Meg apart the entire day? I am horrified that you did this to begin with, but you let an innocent and decent human being be raked over the coals to try to save face.

I refuse to call you names, but I certainly want to. I just hope that the people that were needlessly mean to her learned something positive from this experience.

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[info]city_glitter
2005-07-06 06:10 pm UTC (link)
I honestly wasn't aware that Meg got raked over the coals. I didn't read any of the comments on that post after the first few. The evidence she provided was well-thought-out and compelling, which made me think she would be believed. I'm glad you've brought it to my attention that I need to make another post, though.

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[info]rm
2005-07-06 06:08 pm UTC (link)
I truthfully don't really have enough energy to be angry or outraged, although intellectually I am both.

I've been oonline since 1990 and I've watched the Internet save lives -- of peopel and animals, through fundraising and other acts of group concern. There are so many cases of this, and it was selfish, thoughtless and selfish of you, to think that your needing to prove something to someone outweighed the importance of the Internet continuing to uniquely fill the needs of others.

You are not the exception to the rule.

I'm glad your cat is all right. I am glad charities will get money (although I'm sorry to say I think we'd all like to se the rpoof of that now), but I don't know you and I am disappointed in you. And you can say you weren't thinking all day long, but I don't think that's good enough. I don't know if you think you're more enlightened or more clever than others or really what motivated you, but this is a big mess, and one I'm sorry we're all in.

When I was in University, a woman at my school reported a rape that never happened, eventually recanting saying she wanted to draw attention to the issue. Do you think she helped anyone? I don't.

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[info]city_glitter
2005-07-06 06:12 pm UTC (link)
I don't think this really did much good in the end either, and certainly more harm than good. But I can't undo it, only try to make the best of it for everyone involved. I'm sorry.

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This is ridiculous.
[info]ashchan
2005-07-06 06:12 pm UTC (link)
I'm absolutely aghast that you would let people to Meg. Experiment or not, you knew better, you LET PEOPLE RIP AT MEG. Granted, I don't know her as well as others may, I may not have spoken to her a whole lot -- but I can tell you this:

She deserves so much better. YOU DON'T FUCKING EVER DO THAT TO PEOPLE YOU CONSIDER FRIENDS. EVER. You know Meg better than I do, and you let that happen? Hell, you didn't let it happen, you INFLUENCED it! I'll never understand that.

The lying was bad enough, but what you did to Meg - that was much worse. I'm pretty angry right now, I'll admit, and this may not make as much sense as I'd hoped it would, but right now I think this'll do to get the point across.

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Re: This is ridiculous.
[info]annwyd
2005-07-06 06:17 pm UTC (link)
^^ what she said.

Bad enough you were thoughtless and careless and abused people's trust, but when caught, you let people rip into someone you considered a friend (or claimed you did). That's not to mention upsetting her so badly in the first place.

Casually abusing the trust of hundreds of strangers on the Internet can be attributed to carelessness, thoughtlessness, a failing to understand that the people on the other ends of that vast network are people to. None of these are good things, but they don't compare to knowingly, deliberately hurting a friend for the sake of your little play.

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[info]sideglance
2005-07-06 06:15 pm UTC (link)
I don't know who you are, and you don't know who I am, but a few friends of mine were keeping up with this while it was in progress, and showed the result to me just now.

All I can say is 'wow'. I really don't buy your excuse - and I do see your explaination as an excuse - but even if it is true, what you do was extremely wrong. 'I didn't think through' does not begin to describe what you did.

What you did was con these people out of their money. Yes. You're a con artist. It doesn't matter if you donated the money to a good cause, and chipped in your own money as well. You're still a con artist.

I was not involved with this, so I can't press charges. However, just because I'm a bad person, I urge everyone who was involved to press charges. This is the kind of thing the law punishes.

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[info]friendpersonpat
2005-07-06 06:17 pm UTC (link)
Just a PS from someone completely uninvolved in this: It's my understanding that she's given the money back, so while it was initially conning, it really isn't anymore.

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[info]lainiest
2005-07-06 06:21 pm UTC (link)
People like you disgust me. Your excuse is, at best, completely unjustifiable. Your actions were reprehensible.

The next time you want to restore one person's faith in humanity without diminishing that of dozens of other people, tell them you're taking up collections for a charity. You probably would've swindled more money if you'd been honest about that in the first place.

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Resigned.
[info]szara
2005-07-06 09:04 pm UTC (link)
I'm sadly going to agree with [info]lainiest on this one.

There have been plenty of cases of this sort of thing happening which were not "experiments." Any number of those would have been suitable to show your father. They wouldn't have proved it to him, beyond a shadow of a doubt, no. But this has hurt far more people than it helped.

I know I don't normally jump on the "bandwagon" like this. But I lost a cat 2 weeks ago. She was torn to shreds by a wild animal in my front yard during the night, and I got to find what was left of her the next day. Call me selfish and shallow, but the thought of helping someone avoid the pain I went through in losing the best cat I've ever known was mainly what drove me to send my little bit of help. That's what hurts me most right now: That you still have yours, and were never even close to losing him. I'm sure the other people who "felt your pain" are feeling the same way about now. You're pretty damn lucky.

Yes, we'll all learn from this. And when something does happen to someone, and they NEED the help...they most likely won't get it in time, because they'll need to prove themselves first.

I'm glad your experiment was a success. I'm glad my money will be going to something I do believe in. But I would, now, like to see proof that it's been donated, or get it back to donate it myself...or perhaps use it to buy something in which to put the ashes of the cat I DID lose.

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Re: Resigned. - [info]quillaninc, 2005-07-09 06:37 am UTC (Expand)

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[info]city_glitter
2005-07-06 06:29 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry. And I'm glad you reminded me- can I PayPal you the money for the cost of the phone call, at least?

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I'm going to put this here so it gets read thorougly.
[info]machineplay
2005-07-06 06:29 pm UTC (link)
This wasn't just thoughtlessness. Thoughtlessness is forgetting to close the door and letting in the mosquitos, or not putting the toilet seat down.

I'm going to do you the honour of saying exactly what I think right now.

I trusted you.
I loved you dearly.
I trusted you enough to let you know where I live, to expose my child to you, and to let you in my home.

This was not thoughtless.

This was pathological and immoral and wrong. You treated people like absolute crap, less than human. This was utterly inexcusable. This was purely inhuman. You have caused unbelievable, avoidable emotional and mental distress and in doing so have made the world an uglier place. No platitude, no excuse, will cover that up. You made someone who cared for you your scapegoat and you made fools out of everyone who was genuinely loyal to you because they had faith in who you claim to be.

It is completely unacceptable to me that you would act in such a way and that you would lie outright to me and mine.

People are not experiments, this is not a proving ground.

This is a community. It is a network based on trust. We all must trust each other to be what we claim to be, or there is no use being here at all, we might as well go read a book. You kicked that spiderweb well and it's broken now. There is no excusing it, no fixing it, period. The damage is permanent and irreparable. Yes, it will get healed over, but there will always, always be a mark.

I am beyond angry with you. I am appalled and disgusted, not just by your acts but by the utter inability to consider the feelings and reactions of your fellow human beings that allowed you to behave this way.

I don't know how I will feel when I am done being angry, but it will never be the same again. I cannot trust someone who cannot understand the depth of emotion in the people around her and the fragility of hopefulness and the human spirit. When you did this, you did not think of the people you were affecting as being human. I cannot trust someone who does not look at me and see a human being worthy of respect and honesty.

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Re: I'm going to put this here so it gets read thorougly.
[info]city_glitter
2005-07-06 06:30 pm UTC (link)
I understand, and I accept. That's about all there is for me to say.

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[info]captainepix
2005-07-06 06:32 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, it's pretty obvious that you fucked up. It was an interesting and perfectly valid experiment, it was simply carried out in a way that neglected to take into account certain easy-to-forget, though very important, things.

On the other hand, however, I think those who are swearing you to be a horrible, immoral person whom they'll never see as a friend again, maybe they need to step back and take a deep breath. Oh, sure, they're entirely justified in being angry, and perhaps being entirely detached from the situation makes it hard for me to really see things sympathetically, but...

It seems to me that if something like this would destroy a friendship, you probably weren't very good friends in the first place.

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[info]kofi
2005-07-06 06:40 pm UTC (link)
She lied. She received 2k of people's money for a scam. Perhaps you're not seeing the verbal and personal attacks that [info]foxfur went through at her journal, but [info]city_glitter got someone she used to call her best friend screamed at, yelled at, publically lashed at, you name it.

While all of these things were going on, all she could think to say was "NO, FOXFUR. You've hurt my feelings! You're a very well-meaning friend but I WON'T PROVIDE YOU WITH THE TRUTH! I'm going to sit idly back while people tarnish your good name while I'm the one who's lying!"

I hope to GOD she loses friends for this. Anyone who would do that to a friend-

Unforgivable.

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[info]faerie
2005-07-06 06:33 pm UTC (link)
An experiment? Wow. After what you did, it's no surprise you'd come up with some inane excuse like that. Way to go, you are the new LJ internet celebrity.

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[info]spahnranch
2005-07-06 08:38 pm UTC (link)
All this experiment proved is that people ARE generally good and trusting, except for the you, [info]city_glitter. You proved that yet again, in most any group of people, there always has to be an asshole. This time the asshole wasn't just rude, or ignorant. She was conniving, scheming, lying, and fraudulent; playing on the sympathies of kind hearted people who only wanted to help you and your animal in need.

I think your experiment was a success! You got all the attention you wanted, you (justifiably) lost many of your friends, and caused good people to think twice before helping an animal in need. You win, what, over $2K? We all lose. People who truly do have the misfortune of having an animal intentionally injured and truly DO need help with veterinary bills, they really lose, because now, the same people who you scammed, now most likely will not ever help a stranger again.

WAY TO GO! Here's your tiara for being the Swindler of the Year. Wear it with pride, you earned it.

You said your dad cried? Hell, I'd cry too if I were him, for raising such a disappointment and chiseler of a child. Shame on you. I hope every single one of the people you blatently ripped off presses fraud charges on you.

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[info]nightambre
2005-07-06 06:35 pm UTC (link)
Appalled. Completely, horrified, appalled and... pissed. Pissed to the point I just want to say three words and leave it at that. But I think you need a little more effort into a beat down.

That is the first thing that came to mind when I read this. It doesn't matter really if you refunded the money. Or whatever 'good intentions' you might have had. You took advantage of people's kindness. There is enough betrayal, and people busting trust left and right in this world, particularly on the internet, and you just made it worse. You can sit there and cite whatever excuse you want, and cite whatever 'remorse' you may have, the fact does not change.

And the worst part of it is, the way you treated Meg. The way you turned your back on her. You must have had an idea of what she was going to go through at the hands of your supporters. 'Not seeing' it doesn't mean you weren't aware of it happening. You talk with people, you could hear it through the grape vine. This was a person who you considered a friend. Are you so callous?

Oh, wait, you sat there and conned a bunch of strangers into giving you money for a cause that didn't exist. YOU MUST BE!

If your 'goal' here was to deal with the faith of humanity or some bullshit like that, I think your MEANS totally cancelled out the ACTS. What person cons people into kindness?! Oh, yes, I do find your explanation dubious at best.

Hrm. Not quite the beatdown I was hoping. I'll go with my original idea:

You. Fucking. Bitch.

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[info]ashchan
2005-07-06 06:39 pm UTC (link)
Thank you, you put into words what I would've liked to have said, much more eloquently, at that.

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[info]painthorselover
2005-07-06 06:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm shocked and stunned right now. I cannot believe that someone would make up such a story, just to get a point across to there father, to just sit there and lie about the whole incident, and let all those poor innocent people, some sending there last dime to help a make believe injuried cat out, and to let it go this far.

I mean was it that important to get a point across to your father to hurt so many innocent people? I don't think it was.

Don't get me wrong there are allot of honest people out there in this world, and before I actually give money to people for thier sick/hurt/injuried animal I at least have to see proof that the animal is sick or hurt before I even think about sending money.

I did think your story was a little far fetched, hence the reason why I didn't opt to send any money, and a cat that badly hurt, the vet wouldn't have said it was out of the woods so soon, not with 2nd and 3rd degree burns over there body, and especially not with skin graffs. That and spending $5000. on a cat, I love cats, and have three of my own, but really lets be reasonable here, who would spend 5K on a cat? I mean sure I spent allot of money on a horse, but there comes a time when the line must be drawn. I tried to save a horse that coliced, but it was a mare, one that had awesome bloodlines, and a show record, and was trained, if it were a gelding, I probably wouldn't even tried to attempt to save it's life.

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[info]thief_of_swords
2005-07-06 06:51 pm UTC (link)
Well actually people do some crazy stuff when it comes to their pets.
I have a friend who had his dog stuffed... That's not cheep, and lets not forget THE DOG WAS ALREADY DEAD.

So 5k on an injured cat, yeah, why not?

You're the one talking about shooting a horse whos nuts you have already cut off if it sprains an ankle... Now that's fucked up.

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[info]myrkabah
2005-07-06 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Wow.

I'm only going to say that I hope you learned something from this fiasco.

The right thing to do would be to turn yourself in.

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[info]karjack
2005-07-06 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Since I called [info]foxfur out for using half-truths and deception in the name of getting to the truth, I think it's only fair that I call you out as well, despite that you're going to be in for one hell of a shit-storm as a result of this. Despite that you surely must know everything I'm about to say.

I cannot form words to describe just how ridiculously wrong it is to lie to people with malice aforethought and a callous disregard for their feelings all to prove how people are good and caring. Sure, you might donate that $12,000 to the SPCA, and they'll need it for every human being who could help but now won't because they've been burned by someone who thought no more of their humanity than as a piece of data gathered in a study to prove a point.

I feel for the people who stood by you, whose faith you've betrayed. Friends of yours who thought they knew you, who brought people like myself here to feel your plight and to do what we could on nothing more than their own good name. Which you've tainted. Those are friendships stained if not lost, and the very faith and compassion you tout so highly abused.

Bending facts to get to the root of an issue is iffy at best, but deliberately and maliciously (yes, maliciously despite what you might have told yourself about your best intentions) misleading people as pawns to settle a little bet with the old man? One is well-meaning if ill-advised, but the other is simply cruel.

There really isn't much I can say here, and my judgment doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. It's good that you owned up, but it's really, really bad that you did this in the first place. However, I think that you've made your bed and now you're going to have to lie in it, and that's the way life goes. May you take with you for the future the notion that people are not playthings whose feelings are yours to manipulate. Next time you want to defend human compassion, go do something compassionate.

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[info]machineplay
2005-07-06 07:03 pm UTC (link)
I am very sorry that my obviously crap judgement led you here.

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Re: Shame on you.
[info]karjack
2005-07-06 06:45 pm UTC (link)
I would like to think it could still happen, but people will have to be wiser about the way they give. Getting the name of the vet and setting up a fund to the office directly might be the way to go. I for one choose not to let one person's act of deception dictate the causes for which I invest both my time and money.

But yeah, she fucked up. Big time.

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[info]ladytabitha
2005-07-06 06:40 pm UTC (link)
Many things strike me as utterly and completely wrong here, of course, as others have pointed out.  I don't know your friends, but I agree, allowing your friends to be worked over when they're defending you is infinitely not cool.  Lying, also not cool.  Defrauding others of money, not cool, also a criminal offense, so far as I know.

What strikes me - what leaps out at me - is that you ever thought that this was an okay thing to do.  Ever.  I could understand, though not condone, "testing" people on some small scale.  In relationships, for instance, it's a thing that people frequently do, though it's not okay.  With that, I could at least get the reasoning.  I cannot understand your reasoning in this at all.

How did you think any part of this was a good idea?  How could you sit down and say, actually really say*, "I'll make up a story about my cat being on fire and get a lot of donations, to prove that humans are good people"?

- How could you even possibly say the words "make up a story" and "to get donations" in the same breath, and not think that perhaps that was wrong behaviour?

- How does it make sense to use a deliberately false technique to prove that humans are generally good?  Like, seriously, isn't that like clouding pure water with opaque poison?  "Hey look, it was clear!  Boy, that wasn't a useful thing to do."

- Finally, and I'm fighting to be calm here, how could you write down any of that about your cat being on fire without dying a little inside?  I love my Magic, and the thought of her getting loose and getting hit by a car brings tears to my eyes.  I just cannot fathom that at all.

I don't want your sorries.  I want an explanation, if you're willing to give it.  I cannot make sense of this at all, and that is what's most distressing to me - that human beings can actually behave this recklessly, and not know how selfish and utterly wrong they're being until they suffer the consequences.


* - Tone being disbelief, not "I'm directly quoting you".

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[info]ratkrycek
2005-07-06 07:03 pm UTC (link)
Perhaps it would have been better if she had refused a PayPal donation link, and just let her father see people's caring notes. Not that that would be better, per se; I've been reading the replies here, and I've been following this all day. I think that part of the reason I can be so "forgiving" is that I haven't known her as some others have; the first I heard of her was on a community where her cat's stroy was posted. And then I posted in my journal, and I do feel bad for the one person who came to donate because I imagine this probably upsets her, and I sent her here - and that one person I know came here because of me. So I regret that.

I don't think it's right at all to take money for something like this which did not happen, but at least it is being refunded, which while not making it right - shows she's not a criminal.

I didn't attack [info]foxfur but I saw where she was attacked; that was also - I wouldn't want any friend of mine to put herself in position like that unless they were fully knowledgable of what was up.

Could A. have told M.? I don't know, I'd like to think so. Letting her in for an attack was not a very friendly thing to do, and I have to say it is a strong thing to do to stand up and speak out about something you believe is wrong - or right, for that matter. [info]foxfur did absolutely nothing wrong here and I think deserves much respect.

I'm obviously not city_glitter, but I think one thing that happened is she forgot the law of unintended consequences - that they'll crop up in any way they can, so it's always best to think things through thoroughly.

Sounds to me like she didn't really do that.

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[info]duae
2005-07-06 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I am rather facinated with how you pulled it off. By making it an experiment you did avoid all the emotional signs of a scam.

Also, considering foxfur ripped into me for being a stupid idiot and throwing my money away IN YOUR JOURNAL, I can't feel sorry for her.

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[info]annwyd
2005-07-06 07:00 pm UTC (link)
Please stop lying about [info]foxfur. You have been told before that she did no such thing as "rip into you," yet you continue to insist that she did. The last thing she needs right now is more guilt, and from a lie at that.

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[info]rootie_kazootie
2005-07-06 06:42 pm UTC (link)
You bore no fees with my donation, I gave quasi cash. Neither you, nor I are charged any fees when you send money quasi cash. That is a "burden" you wont bear in my name.

I will say to you that the next deserving person will get a skeptical eye from me, because of you.
You are the first person I felt I could afford to donate money to.

You, and your experiment, suck.

I don't judge [info]manhattan (my distant link to this charade) because of you, but I think you need to worry about your relationship with your friends, and virtual friends.
I recently attended a family reunion where I received the usual ribbing about my making friends with people I've never met face-to-face and probably never will.
Nice point, alienate your friend to prove your family wrong. Good Job!
Good luck, Sweetie, I think your learned a great big lesson here.

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[info]machineplay
2005-07-06 07:00 pm UTC (link)
Thank you, and I am so very sorry for my part in this. I do feel guilty for making other people subject to my obviously flawed judgement.

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[info]funkicarus
2005-07-06 06:44 pm UTC (link)
hey, it's cool. i got no regrets on the whole thing. scam or not, what would it cost me if it wasn't? 50 bucks? so what, i can make that back if it really matters.

it's cool man, no harm done at all. i wouldn't have minded even if the money wasn't returned.

peace XO

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[info]yakkette
2005-07-06 06:46 pm UTC (link)
Wow, way to be a spineless wimp. You don't hold people to any sort of moral standard, eh?

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